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Having written a book explicitly advocating for "killing" the 5PE and another about how I think we must engage productively with generative AI in teaching writing, including why attempting to ban it is misguided, I agree with much here, but I also find a bit of excess enthusiasm for using LLM outputs to help students develop critical understanding of writing.

For sure, they can be used this way, but I don't see much evidence that doing so is necessarily superior to asking students to engage with actual human writing that has been created out of thought and intention, as opposed to patterns and probabilities.

I'm thinking about the implications of this passage: "Third, analyzing AI outputs cultivates unprecedented critical reading abilities. When students interrogate machine-generated text in a community, they naturally develop rhetorical and critical analysis skills that transfer to all reading contexts. They learn to identify patterns, question assumptions, detect biases, evaluate claims, and recognize tone—all while comparing the output against their intentions. This dialectical relationship between human prompt and machine response creates a uniquely powerful space for developing critical consciousness about language itself as a social semiotic system. Students begin noticing linguistic patterns they previously processed unconsciously, accelerating their development as sophisticated readers."

"Unprecedented critical reading abilities" is surely hyperbole, no? Everything you describe here can be and has been done with writing, and it can be done in ways that include noticing "linguistic patterns" while also requiring students to consider rhetorical intent. (I talk about an exercise I've used for many years to achieve this goal that utilizes a short passage from a David Foster Wallace essay on cruise ships.)

I think you're right that these tools can offer a dynamic lesson in "language," but I believe the more lasting and meaningful engagement for students when it comes to building their writing practices is not just with language, but with ideas, both their own and others. LLMs, as non-thinking, non-feeling, non-experiencing technology has no real capacity for generating ideas, at least not ones that matter, given they are literally disembodied.

I'm not saying that these activities are worthless because I believe they're worthwhile, but I also think it's important to consider their limits, which are real and important.

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